NLP Standard Deception and Lies. Parts 2 & 3.

NLPers are masters of deception. Question everything they say, and you will find it is all smoke and mirrors designed to deflect your attention from the truth.

Part 2.

After the last post this was posted on Facebook:

i read what you wrote on that link and i posted a comment which will probably not be approved. you're full of shit and if you really think that way, this is going to be amusing. let's start off with the specific methods and approaches that NLP uses that matches those of cults. what are they and is it possible to use neutral but effective methods for good or bad? also what NLP training have you had and who was the teacher or teachers? in the wrong hands NLP can hurt people just like you can learn martial arts to enrich your life, stay healthy and protect yourself and others or you can use it to hurt or even kill people. would you say martial arts is a cult because some people use it to hurt others?

Here is my response:

i read what you wrote on that link

Thank you.

and i posted a comment which will probably not be approved.

It was approved.

you're full of shit and if you really think that way, this is going to be amusing.

That is puerile, and I will not dignify it with a response.

let's start off with the specific methods and approaches that NLP uses that matches those of cults. what are they

The use of fake education establishments to indoctrinate people and using mind control techniques like embedded commands to get people to act as you want without them being aware that they are being used. That’s just two to start. I’ve already covered much more in this blog. Read the 1^st post as a starting point. http://www.is-nlp-a-cult.com/2013/05/is-nlp-cult.html

and is it possible to use neutral but effective methods for good or bad?

That is loaded by calling them neutral. In my opinion using manipulative and underhand tactics to get someone to do what you want is morally wrong. Whether you deem that action to be good or bad is not yours do decide. If you have denied them the option to be aware and decide for themself if it is good or bad then that is manipulation.

also what NLP training have you had and who was the teacher or teachers?

That is completely irrelevant. My arguments are against what is taught as NLP.

in the wrong hands NLP can hurt people just like you can learn martial arts to enrich your life, stay healthy and protect yourself and others or you can use it to hurt or even kill people. would you saymartial arts is a cult because some people use it to hurt others?

Analogies can sometimes be useful and other times can side track the conversation from the main point. In this instance the analogy is useful in explaining why I studied and researched NLP. Someone was manipulating me with it and I couldn’t understand what was happening. Just like someone learning a martial art to defend them would do, I went and found out how I was being attacked. Understanding NLP techniques enabled me to defend myself. No of course I wouldn’t say martial arts are a cult. Again my arguments against NLP are with its methods not what people use it for.

Part 3.

Then this:

You don't want to debate me because you know you can only keep this nonsense up for so long before you appear absolutely paranoid. If your intent with your blogs and Facebook page is to warn people of the dangers of cults that is a noble cause and if you want to warn people that some people who use NLP use it to manipulate and take advantage of people I have no problems with that either because it's true. It can happen. But to call all of it or even half of it a brainwashing cult is ludicrous. NLP wouldn't even qualify as a religion. Christianity is far more cultish than NLP could ever be. You simply don't have all the information and experience to know what you say you know about NLP. Your breakdown and responses to what I posted were not only paranoid but they were also manipulative. Maybe you have studied NLP......

You don't want to debate me

Really?

because you know you can only keep this nonsense up for so long before you appear absolutely paranoid.

Again telling me what I know. Again you are completely wrong. Then telling me what other people will think when they read this. I will leave them to decide that.

If your intent with your blogs and Facebook page is to warn people of the dangers of cults that is a noble cause and if you want to warn people that some people who use NLP use it to manipulate and take advantage of people I have no problems with that either because it's true. It can happen.

It was in part, thank you. It is more to warn against getting involved in NLP period. Not because of how some people use it. All use of NLP is despicable and can cause great harm. Like losing a sense of reality, losing and alienating your friends amongst other things.

But to call all of it or even half of it a brainwashing cult is ludicrous.

In your opinion, not shared by me.

Christianity is far more cultish than NLP could ever be.

Agreed. Someone wrote in the comments of another blog that “NLP is a religion for the inept.”  I concur.

You simply don't have all the information and experience to know what you say you know about NLP.

I never claimed to have all the information or experience. I believe have more than enough to form an opinion that I feel is well founded enough to publish and let those that read it make up their own minds.

Your breakdown and responses to what I posted were not only paranoid but they were also manipulative. Maybe you have studied NLP......

My breakdown responses are the only way to successfully get my argument across when you make so many points in one go. I can see no way anything I have said could possibly be construed as paranoid or manipulative. Please expand so I can understand what you are getting at.